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Obama Lied To The Little Children Today

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We DEMAND to see this "birth certificate" to see if the lying ass is a NATURAL BORN citizen.  In the ORIGINAL United States Constitution, capitalized words MEAN SOMETHING.  The word "government" is capitalized as "Government".  Why?  Because the Government is "Law".  The words "law of nations" is capitalized as "Law of Nations".  Why?  Because that is the document that shaped our United States Constitution and it means something.  It is called Vattal's Law of Nations.  We did NOT use British Common Law.  WHY?  Because we fought a WAR over British Common Law...that's why.

In this "book", Natural Born Citizen means that BOTH parents MUST be "citizens" of that Nation but not NATURAL BORN citizen.  An American NATURAL BORN CITIZEN means that BOTH parents are "Citizens".  I don't know how to make that any clearer.

 

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Re capitalization meant something:

"The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members" Members capitalized, why?
"Members chosen every second Year by the People" Year capitalized. People capitalized.
"Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications" Qualifications capitalized.
"who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State. Inhabitant capitalized.
"When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies." Representation capitalized. Executive Authority capitalized. Writs of Election capitalized. Vacancies capitalized.

Re: "n this "book", Natural Born Citizen means that BOTH parents MUST be "citizens" of that Nation but not NATURAL BORN citizen. '

Vattel said it, but did the writers of the Constitution follow him. One thing that Vattel did not recommend is that the leader of a nation, or any leaders of a nation, should be even citizens, much less Natural citizens. He gives several examples of countries picking their kings and emperors out of foreign nobility, and he never says that that is a bad thing. Also, Vattel recommended that each country establish a state religion. We did not follow him in that.

So did we follow him in the "two citizens" approach. Not likely. Natural Born was commonly used at the time to indicate citizenship due to birth in a country regardless of the number of parents who were citizens.

All references in the Constitution to law are capitalized Law, and all references to nations are capitalized Nations.


IF the writers of the Constitution had meant to refer to Vattel's Law of Nation's when they said Law of Nations, they would have said "Vattel's Law of Nations."

October 21, 2009 | Unregistered Commentersmrstrauss

Yes. Read Madison's notes. Case closed.

October 21, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark "Snooper" Harvey

Madison supports the case that Natural Born means born in the country.

"In a speech before the House of Representatives in May of 1789, James Madison said:
It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.

To summarize, in the United States the criterion, the legal standard, that determines allegiance is the place of birth. This means that according to Madison, the children of foreigners if born in the USA have allegiance to the USA. The same, of course, for the children of citizens. There is no different. Both, if born in the USA, have allegiance to the USA.

The fact is that Natural Born at the time of the writing of the Constitution meant what Native Born means today. Natural Born Citizen meant citizenship due to birth in the country. That is why we have the word Naturalize, which comes from Natural Born, and means to make a foreigner just like someone who was born in the country.

October 22, 2009 | Unregistered Commentersmrstrauss

Spin it all you like. It is what it is. Czarboe can SHOW his birth certificate, yes? And do NOT tell me that it is "on line" someplace.

October 22, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark "Snooper" Harvey

Obama has posted his official birth certificate, and shown copies of the physical document to both Polifact and Factcheck. The Certification of Live Birth is now the official birth certificate of Hawaii, and it is the only birth document that Hawaii now sends out. (http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html).

The Wall Street Journal commented: "Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."

October 22, 2009 | Unregistered Commentersmrstrauss

He HASN'T done anything like that. Period. The KOSmonoff site was a hoax and even they admitted it.
The WSJ piece was written by their Leftist or "moderate".

Obama must present his OWN engraved birth certificate just like everybody else has and he will NOT do that. Why? Because he is NOT natural born. Period. Get over it.

And, please stop with the cut and paste crap. It doesn't work here.

Please present his REAL birth certificate...LOL! And we all now he hasn't one.

October 22, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark "Snooper" Harvey

He has posted his official birth certificate.

October 23, 2009 | Unregistered Commentersmrstrauss

No. He hasn't. The piece at Daily KOSmonoffs and other places was an INCOMPLETE document, no doctor's signature and no address. It is INCOMPLETE. Get over it. Obama has no NATURAL BORN status. Read the constitution.

October 23, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark "Snooper" Harvey

Obama has posted and shown to both Polifact and FactCheck, the official birth certificate of Hawaii, the facts on which were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii.

October 29, 2009 | Unregistered Commentersmrstrauss

You, smstrauss are an idiot. NO ONE HAS SEEN the birth certificate. NO ONE. Somebody in Hawaii SAYS they saw it but have not shown it. The Gov of Hawaii LOCKED IT UP so NO ONE CAN SEE IT.

Get a clue, moron.

October 29, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark "Snooper" Harvey

The government of Hawaii (which is under a Republican governor, you should know) did not specially lock up Obama's original BC. It no longer sends out any original BCs. It only sends out the new official BC, and it is not the only state to do so. Missouri, for example, sends out only the short-form. (http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/hrj-34-requires-missouri-candidates-to-submit-non-existent-long-forms/).

The Gov. Of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, did not make any special move to lock up Obama's BC. ALL birth certificate files in Hawaii are private.

October 29, 2009 | Unregistered Commentersmrstrauss

First off? I am NOT a Republican. I am a member of the Republican form of Government as depicted in our United States Constitution so stop spouting off "republican" diatribes. They don't work here.

The Gov of Hawaii LOCKED up the BC so NO ONE could see it. Get over it. Go to my search pages and type in COLB and birth certificate to find all the details...I have been writing about this for OVER three years now.

Czarboe is NOT a "NATURAL BORN" American citizen. PERIOD. His Dad is a BRITISH citizen, born in Kenya. That makes him NOT a NATURAL BORN American citizen.

Get over it. Grow up. Grow a set.

October 29, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark "Snooper" Harvey

Re: "The Gov of Hawaii LOCKED up the BC so NO ONE could see it. Get over it. "

No she didn't, She didn't do anything to his BC, and she got really angry when WND said that she sealed the files. She didn't seal the files. She didn't have to. They are kept private by law. All the birth documents are considered private except to a small list of people who can get copies of them.

October 31, 2009 | Unregistered Commentersmrstrauss

His Dad is a BRITISH citizen, born in Kenya. That makes him NOT a NATURAL BORN American citizen.

Nope. The original meaning of Natural Born just means born in the USA. The term Naturalize comes from Natural Born, meaning to make a person like someone who was born in the country. Obama falls under that category. McCain fell under an expanded definition of Natural Born, which includes the children of two US parents even if they were not born in the USA. There is no requirement that someone be both born in the USA and have two parents who were citizens.

Obama is the President of the United States. Get over it.

October 31, 2009 | Unregistered Commentersmrstrauss

You are an idiot and have never read Madison's notes. It's nice talking to a jerk.

October 31, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark "Snooper" Harvey

Here is what Madison said: "It is an established maxim, that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth, however, derives its force sometimes from place, and sometimes from parentage; but, in general, place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States."

As you can see, Madison says the criterion for allegiance in the United States is birth. I have read Madison's notes, and searched his ENTIRE body of work, and the same with John Adams and Alexander Hamilton, and the Federalist Papers, and not one of them uses Natural Born in any way other than to mean citizenship due to birth in the country.

October 31, 2009 | Unregistered Commentersmrstrauss

Ja. Sure you have.

October 31, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark "Snooper" Harvey

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