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Apr212009

Obama's Memogate

What is it again Quinn's Law states so clearly? "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent." How true that always is. One of the many things that the libtards are unable to do is think far enough into the future to determine the possible consequences of their actions. The Leftinistra, the armies of the socialist liberal, also have a problem with the six Ps: Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

With the advent of the release of the alleged "torture memos" which proved pretty much the exact opposite the anti-Americanists were hoping for unless, naturally you are the New York Times and just assume water boarding is torture which, has never been lawfully or legally defined as torture, we have a set of memos that prove no wrong doing. Call it what you will, it makes no difference to me because the clear definition has never been determined. Defining anything as "torture" after the fact doesn't make it torture retroactively unless, naturally, you are a BDS driven idiot.

So, what the hell am I getting at? Glad you asked. From the Drudge Report, via Ace of Spades:

Cheney Calls For More CIA Reports To Be Declassified
Mon Apr 20 2009 16:20:53 ET

In a two part interview airing tonight and tomorrow night on FOX News Channel’s Hannity (9-10PM ET), former Vice President Dick Cheney shared his thoughts on the CIA memos that were recently declassified and also revealed his request to the CIA to declassify additional memos that confirm the success of the Bush administration’s interrogation tactics:

CHENEY:

“One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed the success of the effort. And there are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity. They have not been declassified.”

“I formally asked that they be declassified now. I haven't announced this up until now, I haven't talked about it, but I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country.”

“And I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was, as well as to see this debate over the legal opinions.” (developing)

This is a perfect example of not thinking ahead to see if there is in fact a train on the tracks and you are the poor SOB with a stalled car in Harms Way like a sitting duck.

Naturally, the memos that will exonerate President Bush will not be released which, inevitably proves my point about the BDS driven Leftinistra. President Bush CANNOT be given any credit where it is due but most assuredly any mistakes he may have or better yet never did make will be shared with all.

There is an article I posted at Pat Dollard's place entitled, "Torture and the U.S. Intelligence Failure", written by George Friedman from stratfor. I am having issues with the report but cannot quite put my finger on the source of my angst.

My opening monologue goes thusly:

Some were born into ignorance. Others were born into pomp and glamor. Some were born as normal human beings and grew up to be, well, without other than honorable mention or the ability to actually make sense. It isn’t a Left v Right issue either but, most of us can think on the fly and on our feet. Color me whatever color you choose but there is something about this article that bothers me.

A member of Dollard Nation, Sully, left this comment in the post: CAUTION! Grunt Speak herein!

So the failures of the past create the ‘issues’ of today. What a concept. This guy must be like brilliant or sumthin.

And fuck “moral experiment”. If ‘enemy combatant’ is their job description they should be dead already. Fuck ‘uncomfortable’ being “terrible”.

And that is EXACTLY what was bothering me about the article. The article ends in this manner:

[...] Bush was handed an impossible situation on Sept. 11, after just nine months in office. The country demanded protection, and given the intelligence shambles he inherited, he reacted about as well or badly as anyone else might have in the situation. He used the tools he had, and hoped they were good enough. [...]

[...] U.S. President Barack Obama has handled this issue in the style to which we have become accustomed, and which is as practical a solution as possible. He has published the memos authorizing torture to make this entirely a Bush administration problem while refusing to prosecute anyone associated with torture, keeping the issue from becoming overly divisive. Good politics perhaps, but not something that deals with the fundamental question.

The fundamental question remains unanswered, and may remain unanswered. When a president takes an oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” what are the limits on his obligation? We take the oath for granted. But it should be considered carefully by anyone entering this debate, particularly for presidents. [END]

There's that damn Constitution again that Obama uses as toilet paper on a regular basis. One day, someone with a set of brass testicles will actually come out with the legal definition of what torture is and what it is not. I have been water boarded as part of my training in SERE training courses (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape).  The problem is this - Haji doesn't give a damn.

Personally, I believe Obama did this as a pandering maneuver to appease his private army of retards knowing damn well nothing would come of it as a distraction device.  He will let his media run with it to distract from his unAmerican international embarrassment part 3 in South America.

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The description he used for the torture sounded an awful lot like the SERE training I went through back in the day. You did too.
Waterboarding was part of the drill, of course in those days it was called something else. And being cold, deprived of food and sleep was all part of it.

Torture is ripping somebodies fingernails off, or shoving bamboo splinters up them. Torture is taking a drill to someones foot or wrist or teeth. Torture is having your nuts stomped on or breaking knee caps.
Need I go on?

April 21, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterNo.9

After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and death."

Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html

April 21, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterMadison

Like I said, there has never been any "legal definition" defined and if your authoritative source is the Washington Compost, that explains your problem or, at least one of them. Nice try though.

It never ceases to amaze me the depths BDS has permeated all things.

April 21, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark "Snooper" Harvey

And another thing, I wonder who "Madison" is.

April 21, 2009 | Registered CommenterMark "Snooper" Harvey
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