Obama's Memogate
Tuesday, April 21, 2009 at 12:09AM What is it again Quinn's Law states so clearly? "Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent." How true that always is. One of the many things that the libtards are unable to do is think far enough into the future to determine the possible consequences of their actions. The Leftinistra, the armies of the socialist liberal, also have a problem with the six Ps: Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.
With the advent of the release of the alleged "torture memos" which proved pretty much the exact opposite the anti-Americanists were hoping for unless, naturally you are the New York Times and just assume water boarding is torture which, has never been lawfully or legally defined as torture, we have a set of memos that prove no wrong doing. Call it what you will, it makes no difference to me because the clear definition has never been determined. Defining anything as "torture" after the fact doesn't make it torture retroactively unless, naturally, you are a BDS driven idiot.
So, what the hell am I getting at? Glad you asked. From the Drudge Report, via Ace of Spades:
Cheney Calls For More CIA Reports To Be Declassified
Mon Apr 20 2009 16:20:53 ET
In a two part interview airing tonight and tomorrow night on FOX News Channel’s Hannity (9-10PM ET), former Vice President Dick Cheney shared his thoughts on the CIA memos that were recently declassified and also revealed his request to the CIA to declassify additional memos that confirm the success of the Bush administration’s interrogation tactics:
CHENEY:
“One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is they put out the legal memos, the memos that the CIA got from the Office of Legal Counsel, but they didn't put out the memos that showed the success of the effort. And there are reports that show specifically what we gained as a result of this activity. They have not been declassified.”
“I formally asked that they be declassified now. I haven't announced this up until now, I haven't talked about it, but I know specifically of reports that I read, that I saw that lay out what we learned through the interrogation process and what the consequences were for the country.”
“And I've now formally asked the CIA to take steps to declassify those memos so we can lay them out there and the American people have a chance to see what we obtained and what we learned and how good the intelligence was, as well as to see this debate over the legal opinions.” (developing)
This is a perfect example of not thinking ahead to see if there is in fact a train on the tracks and you are the poor SOB with a stalled car in Harms Way like a sitting duck.
Naturally, the memos that will exonerate President Bush will not be released which, inevitably proves my point about the BDS driven Leftinistra. President Bush CANNOT be given any credit where it is due but most assuredly any mistakes he may have or better yet never did make will be shared with all.
There is an article I posted at Pat Dollard's place entitled, "Torture and the U.S. Intelligence Failure", written by George Friedman from stratfor. I am having issues with the report but cannot quite put my finger on the source of my angst.
My opening monologue goes thusly:
Some were born into ignorance. Others were born into pomp and glamor. Some were born as normal human beings and grew up to be, well, without other than honorable mention or the ability to actually make sense. It isn’t a Left v Right issue either but, most of us can think on the fly and on our feet. Color me whatever color you choose but there is something about this article that bothers me.
A member of Dollard Nation, Sully, left this comment in the post: CAUTION! Grunt Speak herein!
So the failures of the past create the ‘issues’ of today. What a concept. This guy must be like brilliant or sumthin.
And fuck “moral experiment”. If ‘enemy combatant’ is their job description they should be dead already. Fuck ‘uncomfortable’ being “terrible”.
And that is EXACTLY what was bothering me about the article. The article ends in this manner:
[...] Bush was handed an impossible situation on Sept. 11, after just nine months in office. The country demanded protection, and given the intelligence shambles he inherited, he reacted about as well or badly as anyone else might have in the situation. He used the tools he had, and hoped they were good enough. [...]
[...] U.S. President Barack Obama has handled this issue in the style to which we have become accustomed, and which is as practical a solution as possible. He has published the memos authorizing torture to make this entirely a Bush administration problem while refusing to prosecute anyone associated with torture, keeping the issue from becoming overly divisive. Good politics perhaps, but not something that deals with the fundamental question.The fundamental question remains unanswered, and may remain unanswered. When a president takes an oath to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” what are the limits on his obligation? We take the oath for granted. But it should be considered carefully by anyone entering this debate, particularly for presidents. [END]
There's that damn Constitution again that Obama uses as toilet paper on a regular basis. One day, someone with a set of brass testicles will actually come out with the legal definition of what torture is and what it is not. I have been water boarded as part of my training in SERE training courses (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape). The problem is this - Haji doesn't give a damn.
Personally, I believe Obama did this as a pandering maneuver to appease his private army of retards knowing damn well nothing would come of it as a distraction device. He will let his media run with it to distract from his unAmerican international embarrassment part 3 in South America.
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Silly me should have checked Memeorandum before hitting publish:
snooperreport.com: Obama's Memogate — What is it again Quinn's Law states so clearly? Gateway Pundit: Cheney Formally Asks CIA to Declassify Legal Memos on Interrogations (Video) Sister Toldjah: Cheney to CIA: Declassify the memos that prove interrogation tactics worked Andrew Sullivan / The Daily Dish: Cheney Backs Full Disclosure? Big Tent Democrat / TalkLeft: Cheney Asks For Further Declassification Of Torture Memos
And there is more over there... Obama Urges C.I.A. Not to Be Discouraged by Memos
Tim Reid / Times of London: Torture memo has put US in danger, CIA tells Barack Obama Kevin Jon Heller / Opinio Juris: Walking Back Rahm — Yes, the Obama administration thinks we are all stupid: Taylor Marsh: Cheney Resurfaces, But Why? — There is something very desperate … Sandy Levinson / Balkinization: Is Obama really serious about “upholding our values”? Stormy / Angry Bear: Torture: Obama Is on a Slippery Slope Hilzoy / Washington Monthly: Looking Forward Merv / PrairiePundit: Obama tries to buck CIA morale after bad decision on memos PoliticalBase.com Blog: Obama To CIA Employees: “We're On The Better Side Of History”
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Marc A. Thiessen / Washington Post: Enhanced Interrogations Worked .
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More chatter today:
Greg Sargent / The Plum Line: Cheney Spox Refuses To Explain His “Formal” Request For CIA Torture IntelJohn Schwenkler / Upturned Earth: “The President is focused on looking forward, that's why.”
Ed Morrissey / Hot Air: Obama flip-flops on potential torture prosecutions
Andrew Sullivan / The Daily Dish: Mark Thiessen: It Was TortureDan Froomkin / White House Watch: Call Cheney's BluffPaul Woodward / War in Context: Cheney's bogus pragmatism on tortureMike's America / Flopping Aces: Why Obama Won't Release ALL the CIA Memos on “Torture”Michaelscherer / Swampland: The Fine Print Of Cheney's Complaint
Tom Maguire / JustOneMinute: The Sound Of One Hand Clapping TransparentlyFelix Dennis / THE WEEK News & Opinion: Dick Cheney: Showdown with Obama
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And here are the anti-Americanists chiming in, for the most part. They really are a pathetic lot.
Lollipop Boy, lapdog of Little Green Turtle Turds, Andrew Democrat In Drag Sullivan:
Andrew Sullivan / The Daily Dish: Is Cheney Panicking? — The one thing you saw most plainly in the Plame affair is how obsessed Dick Cheney is with public image, the chattering classes and spinning stories that might reflect poorly on him. The act is the elder statesman, authoritatively reviewing the world scene …
Eric Etheridge / The Opinionator: Dick Cheney Joins the Debate ClubJoe Gandelman / The Moderate Voice: Quote of the Day: Is Dick Cheney Panicking?Marc Ambinder / The Atlantic Politics Channel: Ask The Blogger: Cheney's IntentionsDaphne Eviatar / The Washington Independent: Cheney Calls for Release of ‘Torture Works’ Memos
Mark Murray / MSNBC: FIRST THOUGHTS: CHENEY STRIKES BACKWalter Alarkon / The Hill: Dean claims he lit match for ObamaKrooney / The Page: It's Personal — and Policy
Brian Montopoli / CBS News: Hot Topic: Is “Enhanced Interrogation” Justifiable?Tom Maguire / JustOneMinute: Torture Trials - Bring It On!Ari Melber / The Nation: Cheney Urges Transparency for Obama at 100 DaysJay McDonough / Newshoggers.com: Torture and fat ladies
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Huma Khan / Political Punch:
Marc A. Thiessen / Washington Post:Enhanced Interrogations Worked
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More chatter: Obama flip-flops on potential torture prosecutions
- The Greenroom » Forum Archive » Where We Agree with Obama and the Anti-Torture Mavens
- Dick Cheney asks greater declassification of intelligence memos last night on the Sean Hannity show, today Obama flipflops on bringing charges against officials of the Bush administration | Fire Andrea Mitchell!
- Wizbang
Fox News: Obama Open to Prosecution of Officials Who Cleared Interrogation Tactics
Jennifer Loven / Associated Press: Obama open to prosecution, probe of interrogations
David Neiwert / Crooks and Liars: Obama: Prosecutions of the architects of U.S. torture policy remains a possiblityGreg Sargent / The Plum Line: Source: Despite Claim, Cheney Didn't Really Ask CIA To Release Torture IntelligenceMelissa McEwan / Shakesville: Obama Now Open to Theoretical Torture InvestigationsJohn Schwenkler / Upturned Earth: “The President is focused on looking forward, that's why.”
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Carrie Johnson / Washington Post:
Faiz Shakir / Think Progress: Bush officials lobbying Obama Justice Department to ‘water down’ torture report.Daphne Eviatar / The Washington Independent: Durbin and Whitehouse Raise Concerns About Pending OPR ReportStephen C. Webster / Raw Story: Bush officials trying to interfere with Justice Department ethics reportAlex Koppelman / Salon: DOJ report on torture memo authors recommends disciplinary actionSteve Benen / Washington Monthly: BUSHIES SCRAMBLING IN ADVANCE OF OPR REPORT.... Way back in February …Holly Bailey / Newsweek Blogs: No Charges Against Bush Lawyers Over Torture Memos?
New York Times:
Andrew Sullivan / The Daily Dish: The OPR Report Gets Closer
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From Gateway Pundit via Human Events: Pelosi Caught In Bald-Faced Lie-- Report Shows She Was Briefed on "Use" of Waterboarding Back in 2002
Didn't she and her little boy-man Reid promise to have the most ethical CONgress ever in the history of this nation and haven't we all experienced the exact opposite? There's that Quinn's First Law again. DAMN!
"Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent."
It ALWAYS fits in ALL that the democrats say and do. Facts are hard to hide.
From Gateway Pundit via Human Events: Pelosi Caught In Bald-Faced Lie-- Report Shows She Was Briefed on "Use" of Waterboarding Back in 2002
The liar from San Fran Nannistan said she didn't know anything about the "torture".
How pathetic.
A report released today proved that Speaker Pelosi was told that waterboarding was used on terrorist suspect Abu Zubaydah way back in September 2002.
ABC News reported, via Free Republic:
ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was briefed on the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on terrorist suspect Abu Zubaydah in September 2002, according to a report prepared by the Director of National Intelligence’s office and obtained by ABC News.
The report, submitted to the Senate Intelligence Committee and other Capitol Hill officials Wednesday, appears to contradict Pelosi’s statement last month that she was never told about the use of waterboarding or other special interrogation tactics. Instead, she has said, she was told only that the Bush administration had legal opinions that would have supported the use of such techniques.
The report details a Sept. 4, 2002 meeting between intelligence officials and Pelosi, then-House intelligence committee chairman Porter Goss, and two aides. At the time, Pelosi was the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee.
The meeting is described as a “Briefing on EITs including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities, and a description of particular EITs that had been employed.”
Democratic Leaders of Congress were briefed at more than 30 meetings on enhanced interrogation techniques since 2002.
According to an earlier report, information gathered from Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) after waterboarding was used led to the discovery of a second wave attack planned for Los Angeles.
See my article on Obama's Memogate. The back-firing snowball is getting bigger. This article will be plaed in the update section of Obam's Memogate article.
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Larisa Alexandrovna / At-Largely: Blackmail and threats to avoid accountability...Stephen C. Webster / Raw Story: Holder says he approved Clinton-era renditions
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The description he used for the torture sounded an awful lot like the SERE training I went through back in the day. You did too.
Waterboarding was part of the drill, of course in those days it was called something else. And being cold, deprived of food and sleep was all part of it.
Torture is ripping somebodies fingernails off, or shoving bamboo splinters up them. Torture is taking a drill to someones foot or wrist or teeth. Torture is having your nuts stomped on or breaking knee caps.
Need I go on?
After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and death."
Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html
Like I said, there has never been any "legal definition" defined and if your authoritative source is the Washington Compost, that explains your problem or, at least one of them. Nice try though.
It never ceases to amaze me the depths BDS has permeated all things.
And another thing, I wonder who "Madison" is.