Reposting: Once Upon A Time, Waterboarding Was OK
Thursday, April 23, 2009 at 12:26PM This is a repost from 12.10.07 but, first, some background. I heard Nancy Oompaloompelosi lie her stretched out self out today and said she was never briefed on the "tough techniques" used that have never been defined as torture except for those that think anything harsh is torture. Listening to that bitch today was torture. Can I get a Special Prosecutor now? So, without further ado, please recall the following:
So, if I was for being against anything after I had decided to be against it before considering to be for and against a topic, does that give me any kind of credibility to the sound of mind? and, if I had changed my mind about a topic and didn't tell anyone until I got exposed for being a perpetrator of Double Standards for political expediency, does that lend me any credibility? Or, would being against something I was once for before I took a stand against something that I knew I should be for but political aspirations clouded my self-dignity, does that grant me the right to be credible?
I wonder if SoH Nancy Pelosi is asking herself those same questions. How disingenuous does one need to be before they are shown to be the charlatans we all knew they were from the very beginning? Where is the cut-off for disingenuousness (is that a word)? Are their certain levels that are acceptable before they become unacceptable? For that matter, what ever happened to personal integrity, honor and dignity? What ever happened to the Respect and Honor of The Office?
Would it not be much better if Honesty was indeed the Policy? Why hide behind the skirts of lies, deceit and despair? Surely, the old adage, "Beware your sins will find you out" is well known to these cretins in the United States CONgress...yes...no? Some would ask me. "What are you blathering about?". Thanks for asking.
Waterboarding and other sundry methods of interrogation. Frankly, I could care less. The current enemy is not signatories to the Geneva Conventions. Some would argue otherwise. That is their problem. I have seen the signatories to the Geneva Convention(s) and al Qaida ain't on there. Neither is Iraq...they refused to sign and their signature to the Geneva Convention was one of the Cease Fire Agreements in 1991...how soon the politicians ignore that fact...or, do they and did they?
Thusly, Al Qaida is not an internationally recognized Uniformed Force. They fire their rockets and missiles from school grounds, mosques and civilian housing areas. They are the first to whine about the Geneva Conventions, however, as they behead those they consider to be the enemy on video but, that is OK...they are doing the deal...sounds like our very own American anti-Americanists to me. I often wonder which group listens to which group and when. As our own "anti-war" thugs drag and burn American Troops in effigy , so did Al Qaida...the difference was the bodies were real.
The Washington Post has a piece out and it has the Elite of the DNC squirming, waffling and backpedaling like they have just met face to face their worst nightmare come true...The Truth. Blackfive has an observation worth repeating:
[...] This is exactly what happens when you try to be on both sides of the issue. When you whore yourself out to the extreme left to hold on to power by lying to them about what you really think. The part of this that is "classic" is that this issue is headed the way of Hillary and her parsing her Iraq War vote and John Kerry and his "for it before I was against it" B.S. [...]
Exactly so, Roger That and Copy. I would also like to add, checkmate. Right Wing News has a checkmate set in stone:
This story from the Washington Post clearly proves how today's objections to waterboarding, particularly from Congressional Democrats, is purely political grandstanding. When briefed on the interrogation techniques used against captured terrorists, the reaction from those in the room "was not just approval, but encouragement." Even current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was there and "did not raise objections at the time." [...]
Like Kagro X says over at the Daily KOSmonoffs: "Well?" And, yes, that is a direct challenge to Kadro X.
It will never cease to amaze me that the Leftinistra, the armies of the socialist liberals of the United States (not to upset anyone from Canada or anywhere else), will stoop to deeper and lower levels of disdain, lies and deceit to remain in power. This is yet one more example of the Smoking gun exposing them for what they are...enablers of derision and division all in the name of Political Power.
I have often vocalized the following, as Glenn Reynolds has as well:
[...] Lots of people who were talking tough back then subsequently changed their tunes -- out of either a sudden flowering of scruples or an unprincipled desire to go after the Bush Administration with any weapon that came to hand. But, you know, if you're going to say "it was different back then," it really has to be more than just an al--purpose excuse for politicians. It's also a reason not to hang people out to dry for doing what politicians, and the public, wanted back then, when things were so "different." Your call, but Jules Crittenden notes: "Next thing you know, someone's going to say the Clinton co-presidency thought Saddam had a nuclear program and backed regime change." [...]
Oh. Wait! They did! Check the video at Instapundit or, follow the video links I have made available at Let Freedom Ring. Many of us are asking the Elitist Holier Than Thou folks: If waterboarding was such a grand idea way back when the world was a dangerous place, why is it an abhorrent activity now, seeing that the world is still a dangerous place? If it was acceptable then, why not now? Has the world gotten any more safer all of a sudden?
This whole waterboarding issue is another White Tiger non-issue issue. The practice ended nearly 4 years ago and operated under Congressional oversight and only one objected then...Nancy wasn't one of them...neither was Hillary. To use this non-issue as an issue for the upcoming elections, knowing that the practice is no longer utilized, reveals how utterly afraid the Leftocrats in the United States are about the upcoming elections.
Spin that.
I have a hint of the future for them: We win...you lose.
Nancy pelosi is a LIAR.
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Gateway Pundit brings us news that the Defeatocrat Liars were briefed 30 times about the "harsh interrogation" practices.
Democratic Leaders of Congress were briefed at more than 30 meetings on enhanced interrogation techniques since 2002. Speaker Pelosi was told about the interrogation of Al-Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah that included waterboarding in 2002 and did not raise any objections. FOX News reported: (click and read)
Gateway's commentary and updates:
Gee. Do you think this might just be a political power play by the Hope and Change crowd? Or, maybe its a smokescreen for the cap and trade policy they want to push on America? Or, maybe it's just the typical Leftist attempt to weaken the country? Whatever they were planning on accomplishing by releasing secret memos on enhanced interrogation techniques, it didn't work.
Related ... Condi Rice approved of waterboarding Al-Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah. According to a former intelligence agent, waterboarding of terrorist Abu Zubaydah got him to talk in less than 35 seconds. The technique, which critics say is torture, probably disrupted "dozens" of planned al-Qaida attacks and saved hundreds and thousands of lives. The CIA also confirmed that waterboarding 9-11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed led to information that prevented a similar attack on Los Angeles. Good for Condi!
Karl Rove at The Wall Street Journal warns: "His invitation to indict Bush officials will haunt Obama's Presidency."
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Ali Soufan / New York Times:
Philip Zelikow / Shadow Government: The interrogation programs were wrong, but did they work?Terry Frieden / CNN: ‘No one is above the law,’ Holder says of torture inquiryBig Tent Democrat / TalkLeft: Contradicting Obama's DNI, FBI Interrogator Says Torture Was IneffectiveCharles Kaiser / CJR: Above the Fold: Know-Nothings at the NYTSpencer Ackerman / The Washington Independent: SERE Suckers (Cont'd): Send Lawyers, Waterboards and MoneySpencer Ackerman / ATTACKERMAN: I'm What The Streets Made Me, Product Of My EnvironmentLarisa Alexandrovna / At-Largely: Zubaydah's FBI interrogator steps up to call BS on the torture apologists...Meghan O'Rourke / The XX Factor: The Gordian Torture KnotMelissa McEwan / Shakesville: Mercliess Mercenaries — Tucked as an aside into former FBI …Ron Beasley / Newshoggers.com: More Through The Torture Floodgates
John Aravosis / AMERICAblog News: Boehner admits Bush admin. used “torture”Andrew Sullivan / The Daily Dish: Boehner Calls It Torture
Greg Sargent / The Plum Line: Flashback: Bush's FBI Director Said Torture Didn't Foil Any Terror PlotsMargaret Talev / McClatchy Washington Bureau: Document: Cheney, Rice signed off on interrogation techniquesBig Tent Democrat / TalkLeft: The Problem Is Blair, Not Andrea MitchellCarol Gee / The Reaction: On accountability: the chains that bindPeter Hoekstra / Wall Street Journal: Congress Knew About the Interrogations
Eric Etheridge / The Opinionator: Is Cheney Winning the Torture Debate?Glenn Greenwald / Salon: Three key rules of media behavior shape their discussions of “the ‘torture’ debate”Steve Hynd / Newshoggers.com: Torture's Poisoned Chalice
Capt. Fogg / The Reaction: Tough guy Ed Rollins
Michael van der Galien / PoliGazette: Did Waterboarding Pay Off?Ernest A. Canning / The BRAD BLOG: Fixing the Facts and Legal Opinions Around the Torture Policy
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Charlie Savage / New York Times:
Carol Platt Liebau / Townhall.com: Throwing a Bone to the LeftJohn D. McKinnon / Wall Street Journal: Torture Cases Would Face Legal HurdlesTom Maguire / JustOneMinute: Send Better LawyersNathan Koppel / Law Blog: Bush-era Lawyers Are Tough Legal Targets
Bloomberg:Josh Orton / MyDD: Who's Above The Law?Brian Faughnan / RedState: Did Obama ‘Accidentally’ Re-Open Show Trial Question
Obama's Focus on Authors of Terror Memos Risks Political Furor
Carolyn Lochhead / San Francisco Chronicle: Pelosi backs anti-terror truth commissionBig Tent Democrat / TalkLeft: The Argument For A Special Prosecutor On Torture
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Andrew Sullivan / The Daily Dish:Why Debate The T-Word? — Steve Chapman asks the torture supporters a question:
Faiz Shakir / Think Progress:
Greg Mitchell / Editor and Publisher:U.S. Soldier Who Killed Herself—After Refusing to Take Part in Torture
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Front page of the Washington Times: HT Common Cents
The CIA briefed top Democrats and Republicans on the congressional intelligence committees more than 30 times about enhanced interrogation techniques, according to intelligence sources who said the lawmakers tacitly approved the techniques that some Democrats in Congress now say should land Bush administration officials in jail.
Between 2002 and 2006, the top Republicans and Democrats on the House and Senate intelligence committees "each got complete, benchmark briefings on the program," said one of the intelligence sources who is familiar with the briefings. [...]
Atlas Shrugs: Marine: "Obama has just cursed our security"
Ace of Spades: Pelosi: I Don't Know Nothin' About Waterboardin' No Jihadis
Macsmind: WSJ: Congress Knew about Interrogations - So then let’s get it ALL on the table shall we?
Hot Air: Hoekstra: Capitol Hill a glass house on interrogations
Hot Air: Rice approved waterboarding
Hot Air: McCain: Obama conducting a “witch hunt” on OLC lawyers
Gateway Pundit: Surprise!... Dem Leaders Were Briefed 30 Times On Interrogations
Flopping Aces: Six Fingered Left Just Can’t Juggle Anymore
Flopping Aces: Should We Torture Terrorists? [Reader Post]
American Thinker: What Releasing the CIA Memos is Really About
American Thinker: We Didn't Torture
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- the audacity of a truth commission on torture | Blatherings Blog
- Ed Driscoll » Double Your Pleasure, Double Your Fun — With Doublethink
- Pelosi on waterboarding: I knew nothing - osmoothie
- Ask Dr. Davermann - Volume 5 - 04/23/09
- The Snooper Report
From Porter Goss, she’s a liar:
Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, who in 2002 was the ranking Democrat on the House committee, has said in public statements that she recalls being briefed on the methods, including waterboarding. She insists, however, that the lawmakers were told only that the C.I.A. believed the methods were legal — not that they were going to be used.
By contrast, the ranking Republican on the House committee at the time, Porter J. Goss of Florida, who later served as C.I.A. director, recalls a clear message that the methods would be used.
“We were briefed, and we certainly understood what C.I.A. was doing,” Mr. Goss said in an interview. “Not only was there no objection, there was actually concern about whether the agency was doing enough.”
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“According to the new narrative, which compiles legal advice provided by the Bush administration to the CIA, Rice personally conveyed the administration's approval for waterboarding of Zubaydah, a so-called high-value detainee, to then-CIA Director George Tenet in July 2002.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/22/condoleezza-rice-cheney-a_n_190340.html
“…. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call WATERBOARDING..!. “
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html
Retard Dumbe fraud troll. You just don't get how irrelevant and stupid you truly are, do you? Moron.
“A newly declassified narrative of the Bush administration's advice to the CIA on harsh interrogations shows that the small group of Justice Department lawyers who wrote memos authorizing harsh interrogation techniques were operating not on their own but with direction from top administration officials, including then-Vice President Dick CHENEY and National Security Adviser Condoleezza RICE…”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66727.html
And, I repeat myself:
Retard Dumbe fraud troll. You just don't get how irrelevant and stupid you truly are, do you? Moron.
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Dumbass.
The obsession is, in fact, a mental disorder.
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